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Post by olegreg on Mar 18, 2012 9:45:47 GMT -6
To everyone who is interested in the subject of MY Billy Cannon Ribbon. I sent the seller an email asking what he wanted. He responded that he wanted $100 and that I was the first to ask him this. I never made him an offer, he stated the price which and I was happy with it. He then told me that he was now having lots of people ask him to end the auction but because I asked first, if I wanted it for the price he told me, I could have it. He called me, got all my info, and talked to me for about 45 minutes about all kinds of things (his family mostly and also of mine). I then PAID the $100 to him. Once you pay for something, it belongs to you no matter how you look at it. Well certain “circumstances” convinced the seller to refund my money. After he sent me several emails trying to rationalize what he had done, very eloquently done I will add, he came to the conclusion that he would not honor our agreement and ship me MY ribbon that I had PAID for. To those who would like to now go after MY ribbon and caused me to lose it because you (no one inparticular) were jealous that I did the same thing everyone does, have at it. He will relist it at 4pm today. I shall not be going after it in an attempt to pay for something twice that should have already been shipped to me. I will not jump bids up in an attempt to screw someone out of a piece either. This situation has really made me question people’s actions when they see something they want. It has truly saddened, hurt, and made me somewhat insensible. This must be the world we live in now, and the way I was brought up to not screw others and to be a man of your word means nothing to anyone nowadays. In case anyone wants to see the last email between the seller and I, I have included it. Good day.
“Yes, it has been somewhat stressful to put it mildly. Your situation is completely understandable, and I hold no doubts as to the integrity of your intentions. It's just that we discussed the matter @ home and decided to make it fair for all, and if it sells, that's fine. If not, it will go back in the display cabinet. The son of a RVN veteran who maintains a close and respectful relationship with his father has to be of sound character. Our decision was made so that we might benefit from this process, and the outpouring of emails caused us to believe that this was indeed just what I suggested, that it was unique, and a wonderful addition to the collector's memorabilia. So, it will be relisted starting 4:00 p.m. EDT tomorrow, 3 day auction w/ a healthy reserve and a healthy starting bid. I could have sold it for $400.00 if indeed the offer was genuine, but who's to say that it was. I'd rather do it this way and let the chips fall where they may. I don't know what will happen. I'll check on the progress of the auction a couple of times a day. Maybe the snipers will be out in force or maybe they will laugh the whole thing off. It's not going to have any effect on our life as we've had it for all of our marriage, 45 yrs, and I had it for 7 years prior. To be quite honest, I wish that you had won the auction as that would have been the best possible outcome. Because I did not follow the protocol, I would have been disappointed in my actions and questioned the decision for quite some time. My conscience will be clear when it's all over.”
He then went on with some personal well wishes and such
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Post by theantiquetiger on Mar 18, 2012 11:47:06 GMT -6
Greg, you are looking at it the wrong way. It was not yours until it was in your hands. Would I have contacted him if I had known that you were the guy that contacted him first? Yes, I would have. I believe its it all fair in the eBay world.
You being a son of a veteran and in close contact with your father has nothing to do with anything. I am a veteran of the first Gulf War and I stay in contact with my father.
You need to remember one thing, when I contact someone outside eBay, I do it because I want the item and am willing to pay a higher premium than I believe the item maybe worth because I don't feel like fighting for it.
I know Shane feels the same way. I never ask people what they want for an item, I make an offer. When he told you $100, you should have said its worth more than that and made a decent offer. You have to remember, you are not the only one contacting people outside eBay. You just happened to contact him before other people were able to do it.
Do you believe I have this type of money just lying around? When I see a rare piece, I grab it and sell something to cover it. Thats what I will do with this if I win it.
I know you don't sell stuff from your collection but I do without a thought about it.
Here is some GREAT advice. You need to look at your collection like a baseball card collection. It is made to buy/sell/trade/collect, that is all. There is nothing in my collection that has any sentimental value to me other than my 68 Sugar Bowl watch that was given to me by Dr David Strange, a couple bobble heads my wife has owned since the early 70's, and small Touncee items my daughters have bought for me.
Your biggest mistake was not JUMPING on the item with both feet.
You say I do the same thing at garage/estate sales, by paying for something at the seller's price, knowing the item is worth a ton more. That is comparing apples to oranges. When I find a great deal at a garage sale, I don't have four guys standing behind me making the seller a higher offer. If I do come across something at a garage sale that the seller is not sure of, i make a decent offer. Case in point, I was at a garage sale and asked if they had any LSU items. The man has a 1925 football program and without hesitating, I drop a $500 offer and his eyes nearly pop out of his head. He was thinking $100. They had recently moved and had it in a box somewhere, so he took my info. He has since contacted me saying he found the program plus other items I maybe interested in. So this shows I do the same thing in the real world, not just eBay.
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Post by alloriginal on Mar 18, 2012 16:30:31 GMT -6
Awww shite and he now tells me that the one he has up/is putting up is the only one he has. Says the other 2 fellas can't locate theirs or something along those lines. As for the item being YOUR because you sent him the $$$ LOL ok sure maybe in your world BUT that's not how it works in the real world. Not sure what the military/ close to pops deal is but it has NOTHING to do with a LSU memorabilia purchase. It is a touching story though, ..that said I was in Nam but who really gives a shite, it's called service to your country not some sort of lifetime deal or discount card to be played. No one is/was or will be jealous of you getting the item on the cheap, as already stated you are in the big time and if you wanna play you need to be a player. I don't think the relist will bring over $200 BUT we will see what we will see. IF you, greg, won;t be bidding on it, so be it, thats your choice but you really sound like you are pouting and in all honesty you would never have won it anyway in a legit auction and what you participated in was NOT a legit auction. BOTTOM LINE is what you wrote carries a message of what you see as a violation of fairness, ethcis in collecting and the like..... What you FAIL to see is the REALITY of the situation BOTH YOU AND THE SELLER VIOLATED EBAY POLICY... of course you will ignore that and try to justify it by saying everyone does it... Well ya know what, everyone does what happened to you to so it is what it is.... YOU VIOLATED EBAY POLICY, cheaped the guy out of it and you got burned in the end, some may call it poetic justice. Call this one of many life lessons we all experience along the way....... Worst thing you can do is act like a victim when in fact you got outplayed at your own game. note: caps used for emphasis not yelling and the rest is just real talk not an attack on the LOL victim .regardless of what some users may try and twist it into for their own butthurt reasons......
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Post by sparky1 on Mar 19, 2012 13:44:45 GMT -6
hey chris, if you said you would give the man 400.00 for ribbon why isnt that the high bid right now? what are you going to sell this time out of your collection to pay for it?
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Post by theantiquetiger on Mar 20, 2012 15:20:59 GMT -6
hey chris, if you said you would give the man 400.00 for ribbon why isnt that the high bid right now? what are you going to sell this time out of your collection to pay for it? I never did officially offer him $400. I told him my offer would have been $400 and that it may sell higher than that. He had already decided to relist it If would have said he would take the $400, I would have done it. Now that it is up for auction, I am waiting to see. I had a $301 bid on it. He must have set the reserve at $400. If I win it, I'll probably sell one of my pennants.
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Post by alloriginal on Mar 21, 2012 14:04:18 GMT -6
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Post by sparky1 on Mar 21, 2012 14:20:42 GMT -6
yep the guy that made the seller relist it didnt even win it.
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Post by sparky1 on Mar 21, 2012 14:20:59 GMT -6
yes im calling you out chris
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Post by alloriginal on Mar 21, 2012 14:28:04 GMT -6
hahaha I love it, the $400 someone told this old man they would have bid never happened. The $400 claim was an integral part of the old man pulling his offer to greg...... YET when it came time to put up the $400 phantom only bid 275............. I smell something fishy. looks to me like the $400 was BS from the word go and more of a ploy to get the old man not sell to greg and relist it. phantom 400 likely thought he could get it for less, oh say the 275 they actually bid BUT old man was smart and put a big reserve to block such attempts. Gotta love the methods used here. Lie to the old man and cost a collector friend a great piece and then try and do a scoop and score and get it for close to half of what he lied and told the old man he would pay.......
Greg you got the horn from theantiquetiger........ welcome to collecting!!! DO NOT TRUST ANYONE especially those who pal up to you, they are the biggest 2 con jobs out there.
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Post by theantiquetiger on Mar 21, 2012 14:42:20 GMT -6
Just because I made a $400 offer doesn't mean I would make a $400 bid.
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Post by theantiquetiger on Mar 21, 2012 14:44:15 GMT -6
yep the guy that made the seller relist it didnt even win it. I'm not the one who made him relist it, he told me he was going to relist it before I mentioned the $400
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Post by alloriginal on Mar 21, 2012 14:49:39 GMT -6
BWAHAHAHAHAHA exactly because if I read another thread correctly you said you never officially made a $400 offer but you did tell the guy you would have bid/paid $400 thus planting the seed in his mind which was the final straw in him pulling his deal with greg and re-listing it. It was all smoke and mirrors to start with. The scenario I threw out above is pretty spot in I suspect. You were trying to work a con, for lack of a better word"........ Why else would you come in with a limp bid of 275??? and spare me the oh I changed my mind and want to spend my money on something else BS.........
bottom line to all collectors who read this board... DON'T TRUST ANYONE. The ones that pretend to be buddy buddy and straight up etc are the fist one to bend you over and break it off in you... HOWS THAT FEEL GREG !!!! YOU JUST GOT ANTIQUETIGER'D!!!!!!
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Post by alloriginal on Mar 21, 2012 14:51:31 GMT -6
yep the guy that made the seller relist it didnt even win it. I'm not the one who made him realist it, he told me he was going to re list it before I mentioned the $400 HORSE PUCKY!!!!! I have a ebay message he sent me thinking he was sending it to you.. This message tells the truth.......... I will post a screenshot so you can't claim I am lying..... give me a sec
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Post by sparky1 on Mar 21, 2012 14:53:03 GMT -6
yep he sure did. i wish greg all the luck in his future collecting endeavors . chris i could care less if he got another lsu item. hell he would probably sell it any how.
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Post by alloriginal on Mar 21, 2012 14:55:36 GMT -6
Facts is facts and this right here tells the tale...........
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